“We should fix this problem, so that things will be better,” she said.

“How do you know that’s what we should do?” he said. “Perhaps we should create more problems. After all, you can’t derive ought from is.”

“But if we created more problems, things would be worse,” she said.

“So what if things are worse? Maybe that’s how things should be,” he said.

“But things should be better, not worse,” she said.

“I see we have reached an impasse,” he said. “You think things should be better, and I think things should be worse. There is no way to solve this disagreement. This is a huge problem.”

She soon found somebody else to work with. That solved her problem, and gave him a new one.